John Jaeckel: Your Cup Of Teuvo, Delivered

John Jaeckel: Your Cup Of Teuvo, Delivered
- John Jaeckel

ME FIRST? What the......

I think that all this hoo-lah about TT being the next great Hawk player is embellishment, just like all this hoo-lah about how TT is not NHL ready. You're over doing and over analyzing this. Let the 'Hawk brass make the decisions on who is ready and when.

John Jaeckel: Your Cup Of Teuvo, Delivered
- John Jaeckel

Glad you mentioned the 'not ready for prime time' defenceman. Maybe it will at least temper the expectations concerning the 30 game a year college boy from Notre Dame. And the dump Nick Leddy for Matt Martin stupidity.

I actually thought defense is where some of the most promise was shown in the tournament. Trevor Van Riemsdyk had a strong final two games and Viktor Svedberg was fantastic last night. Both are coming off long-term injuries as well. Neither is ready for the NHL at this point but they are prospects. I have a sneaking suspicion that Van Riemsdyk will leapfrog several on the organizational depth chart pretty quickly once the Rockford season gets going.

As for Johns, he was good in Game 1, pretty damn great in Game 2, and looked tired and a bit defensively lost in Game 3. He's not ready for the NHL - yet. A full year in Rockford playing top 4 minutes will do wonders to iron out some of the wrinkles in his game, but a defenseman with that combination of size and speed is not overly common.

Fournier is really intriguing to me - has a similar skillset to Lalonde, which can be good and bad. There was a point where Lalonde looked like a legit prospect, then was overtaken by Leddy in a dramatic way at prospect camp several years ago. It will be really interesting to watch Fournier navigate through his first year.

Gotovets and Holl weren't all that impressive, but my expectations for either of them are pretty low.

Glad you mentioned the 'not ready for prime time' defenceman. Maybe it will at least temper the expectations concerning the 30 game a year college boy from Notre Dame. And the dump Nick Leddy for Matt Martin stupidity.
- RickJ

This.

I agree on goaltending, though. The organization is horrifically thin - there is not anyone in the pipeline that even projects at the high end of their development curve as an NHL backup. Simpson and Carruth are not even AHL-level at this point. It will be interesting to see if they finally bit the bullet next summer and draft a goalie in the first few rounds. Who knows, maybe that's where the compensatory 2nd round pick comes into play - either using the pick at 54 for a goalie or picking a goalie higher than that, knowing you have the #54 pick in your back pocket. Also, one would think a draft pick will be coming back in the likely trade of Leddy.

John Jaeckel: Your Cup Of Teuvo, Delivered
- John Jaeckel

Do you think the guys where playing hard? Or maybe just enough to get to the real tryout at camp?

TT looked at Mc Neil coming on "THE PASS" and timing on the glass look.
Goal scored on a miss placed D man AKA Leddy many times before

If Leddy would engage the opponent`s stick and body he would be much better
But NOT OH well

Ive seen guys try that swing around pass a bunch of times...it just usually doesnt work haha. Probly wouldnt work in the NHL either, still was cool to see though.

TT better skate like the wind and play defense, hes tiny, no matter how much weight the Blackhawks say he's gained. He looks small.

Speaking of looking small, i though McNeil was supposed to be a bigger bodied guy? He didnt look very big to me.

Ive seen guys try that swing around pass a bunch of times...it just usually doesnt work haha. Probly wouldnt work in the NHL either, still was cool to see though.

TT better skate like the wind and play defense, hes tiny, no matter how much weight the Blackhawks say he's gained. He looks small.

Speaking of looking small, i though McNeil was supposed to be a bigger bodied guy? He didnt look very big to me.
- BlazinMike

Everything doesn't work 99% of the time. That's the nature of hockey. The one time they DO work they look like wonderfully planned works of amazing athletic skill.

As nice as it was, THAT pass doesn't work almost all of the time. Both Teravainen and McNeill were lucky that two players and a pass were in perfect sync.

But,of course, the best players make the plays work 2/3/4% of the time instead of 1%.

Glad you mentioned the 'not ready for prime time' defenceman. Maybe it will at least temper the expectations concerning the 30 game a year college boy from Notre Dame. And the dump Nick Leddy for Matt Martin stupidity.
- RickJ

However, the Hawks need to make a move(s) to get under the cap and Leddy is a prime candidate. Cumiskey and Rundblad seem to be there to step in if Leddy is in fact moved.

However, the Hawks need to make a move(s) to get under the cap and Leddy is a prime candidate. Cumiskey and Rundblad seem to be there to step in if Leddy is in fact moved.
- paulr

Yes , Leddy for Matt MArtin isnt a great deal for the Hawks on paper but imn context it does.

Leddy is desirable , Matt Martin in bottom 6 that can actually play hockey and hit people when it matters not have staged dumbass fights like Bollig .

Saves the Hawks 1.7

Plus if TT starts in Rockvegas thats even more savings .

>TT has elite on-ice vision
>TT has most plays "run" through him when on the ice
>Both are characteristics of a high-end player
>At some point, we will see if TT can make high-end plays at the NHL level and play well enough on the other side of the puck to become a regular
>Actually shows just how strong a player Kane is

>TT has elite on-ice vision
>TT has most plays "run" through him when on the ice
>Both are characteristics of a high-end player
>At some point, we will see if TT can make high-end plays at the NHL level and play well enough on the other side of the puck to become a regular
>Actually shows just how strong a player Kane is
- SnapitUpstairs

Agreed .


Not saying he will start the year with the Hawks . I think as stated above he should be in Rockford at least half a season , but he projects really reallly well in my eyes. DOes a lot of non teachable things very very very well.

Yes , Leddy for Matt MArtin isnt a great deal for the Hawks on paper but imn context it does.

Leddy is desirable , Matt Martin in bottom 6 that can actually play hockey and hit people when it matters not have staged dumbass fights like Bollig .

Saves the Hawks 1.7

Plus if TT starts in Rockvegas thats even more savings .



- mrpaulish

Leddy for Martin doesn't fit the the cap.

However, the Hawks need to make a move(s) to get under the cap and Leddy is a prime candidate. Cumiskey and Rundblad seem to be there to step in if Leddy is in fact moved.
- paulr

Sure I agree, Leddy is on the short list of candidates for a move. But he isn't going to be given away. Removing Rozsival solves most of the problem. In fact, I expect him to suffer a debilitating, life threatening injury at some point in training camp.

Not saying he will start the year with the Hawks . I think as stated above he should be in Rockford at least half a season , but he projects really reallly well in my eyes. DOes a lot of non teachable things very very very well.
- mrpaulish

I'd be interested in Wiz's thoughts on this in general and related to TT.

Sure I agree, Leddy is on the short list of candidates for a move. But he isn't going to be given away. Removing Rozsival solves most of the problem. In fact, I expect him to suffer a debilitating, life threatening injury at some point in training camp.
- RickJ

I wouldn't say that it solves most of the problem, but it would get Bowman under the cap and give him the ability to re-call a 7th defenseman from Rockford. Other than that, it would leave the Hawks with a 22 man roster and $264,000 in cap space to start the season. That doesn't leave room to re-call anyone else from Rockford without putting someone on LTIR, and it does not give much room to build an accumulation of cap space to make a deal at the trade deadline.

I wouldn't say that it solves most of the problem, but it would get Bowman under the cap and give him the ability to re-call a 7th defenseman from Rockford. Other than that, it would leave the Hawks with a 22 man roster and $264,000 in cap space to start the season. That doesn't leave room to re-call anyone else from Rockford without putting someone on LTIR, and it does not give much room to build an accumulation of cap space to make a deal at the trade deadline.
- EKolb13

Leddy may not have developed as quickly as hoped but he is only 23. Moving him leaves them with Seabrook, Keith, Oduya and Rozsival all 30+. And Rosy really is only capable of 40-45 regular season games.

So unless one of those defenceman ticketed for Rockford (or Runblad) can step up and replace Leddy now, the D corps is weaker.

I just don't think they will move Nick and then award roster spots to marginal players like Rosy, Versteeg and Regin who chew up $5M+ of cap space. Now if some team steps up with a big time trade proposal for Leddy, that changes things. (And I don't think Matt Martin qualifies as a big time trade candidate.

I wouldn't say that it solves most of the problem, but it would get Bowman under the cap and give him the ability to re-call a 7th defenseman from Rockford. Other than that, it would leave the Hawks with a 22 man roster and $264,000 in cap space to start the season. That doesn't leave room to re-call anyone else from Rockford without putting someone on LTIR, and it does not give much room to build an accumulation of cap space to make a deal at the trade deadline.
- EKolb13

So Bowman won't have the cap space to go out and get one of the big fish like Campoli, Morison or Versteeg...?

Leddy may not have developed as quickly as hoped but he is only 23. Moving him leaves them with Seabrook, Keith, Oduya and Rozsival all 30+. And Rosy really is only capable of 40-45 regular season games.

So unless one of those defenceman ticketed for Rockford (or Runblad) can step up and replace Leddy now, the D corps is weaker.

I just don't think they will move Nick and then award roster spots to marginal players like Rosy, Versteeg and Regin who chew up $5M+ of cap space. Now if some team steps up with a big time trade proposal for Leddy, that changes things. (And I don't think Matt Martin qualifies as a big time trade candidate.
- RickJ

I'm still of the belief that Dahlbeck could step up and solidify the defense. However, I don't think he's going to replace the offensive output that Leddy gives a team. Anyways, isn't Rundblad supposed to be a puck-carrying offensive type?

So Bowman won't have the cap space to go out and get one of the big fish like Campoli, Morison or Versteeg...?
- PuckAndSticks

Or Johnny Oduya and Michal Hanzus?

I think we can agree that the skill is evident but to me that is not the issue. He has to develop physically and mentally so starting him in Rockford is ideal. I will say it again the Hawks can afford to be patient with T's and if he excels at Rockford near the midpoint of the season and his play forces the Hawks to bring him up then that is just what you want to see out of a young talented player. Even if he doesn't force the Hawks hand but develops his all around game and shows steady improvement I think the Hawks would be thrilled with that.

I wouldn't say that it solves most of the problem, but it would get Bowman under the cap and give him the ability to re-call a 7th defenseman from Rockford. Other than that, it would leave the Hawks with a 22 man roster and $264,000 in cap space to start the season. That doesn't leave room to re-call anyone else from Rockford without putting someone on LTIR, and it does not give much room to build an accumulation of cap space to make a deal at the trade deadline.
- EKolb13

Stan has to balance cap space against impact on the roster when deciding whom to trade. He can't have both.

Stan has to balance cap space against impact on the roster when deciding whom to trade. He can't have both.
- DarthKane

That's a fair point.